2014-06-26 04:48:00
#1
Overseas Mold vs. Chinese Mold
I can see there has so many question or doubt about molding always specially for some people had good or bad molding experience in China. No matter for good or bad experience in here, No matter you are buyer or seller, I think the most important thing it’s depend on how kind of mold attitude you have? Not focus on how many benefit you will get at the moment, pay attention on the future cooperation.
2014-06-26 10:14:00
Top #2
The only solution for china industry is to raise the quality to max to compete Korea, Japan, Or EU.
Then goods price to be raised according to that high quality, this will cover any extra cost due to RMB rate or salaries.
Then goods price to be raised according to that high quality, this will cover any extra cost due to RMB rate or salaries.
2014-06-26 15:12:00
Top #3
I don't know is this expression aplicate in all word... the customer ever have the reason... but is sad to see how "The customer" take advantage from this, wants goods prices, high quality and good delivery time
2014-06-26 17:40:00
Top #4
Ni hao, Kelly.
As I understand your words, a person should disregard his previous experiences in China and those of others. We should alter our "mold attitude" and "pay attention to the future cooperation". Is this wise?
Many American companies do not have the money or the time to wait for this "future cooperation". Instead, we network with our peers to discern the reputation of potential business partners since their reputation can quickly become our reputation--especially if it is negative.Therefore, our "mold attitude" is directly related to our "mold experiences" and those of others.
Each company, product, and country has a reputation. If the reputation is good, one bad experience can ruin the reputation. On the other hand, if the reputation is bad, it can take many years for this to change. For many of us in the plastics industry, China is the latter because many have had negative experiences in China or heard about the negative experiences of others.
These experiences include low or inconsistent quality, limited enforcement of 'personal property rights' (in the form of patent infringement), rising labor and material costs, travel expenses (to monitor the project), communication barriers, shipping costs and extended shipping times to name a few.
Now, many American companies no longer wish to do business in China.
In the West we have a saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Unfortunately, that is the mindset for many of those I have known in the industry. I do know that is unfair to paint with such a broad brush since I have seen some very well built, high precision tools come from China. But these have been the exception. Companies who can do this work must distinguish themselves from the others if they wish to gain the confidence of the American plastics professionals as a whole.
As I understand your words, a person should disregard his previous experiences in China and those of others. We should alter our "mold attitude" and "pay attention to the future cooperation". Is this wise?
Many American companies do not have the money or the time to wait for this "future cooperation". Instead, we network with our peers to discern the reputation of potential business partners since their reputation can quickly become our reputation--especially if it is negative.Therefore, our "mold attitude" is directly related to our "mold experiences" and those of others.
Each company, product, and country has a reputation. If the reputation is good, one bad experience can ruin the reputation. On the other hand, if the reputation is bad, it can take many years for this to change. For many of us in the plastics industry, China is the latter because many have had negative experiences in China or heard about the negative experiences of others.
These experiences include low or inconsistent quality, limited enforcement of 'personal property rights' (in the form of patent infringement), rising labor and material costs, travel expenses (to monitor the project), communication barriers, shipping costs and extended shipping times to name a few.
Now, many American companies no longer wish to do business in China.
In the West we have a saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Unfortunately, that is the mindset for many of those I have known in the industry. I do know that is unfair to paint with such a broad brush since I have seen some very well built, high precision tools come from China. But these have been the exception. Companies who can do this work must distinguish themselves from the others if they wish to gain the confidence of the American plastics professionals as a whole.
2014-06-26 20:16:00
Top #5
Ricardo,
I have seen high cavitation, unscrewing molds with hot runners which cost a million dollars or more. As a mold buyer, I would want the highest quality and the fastest delivery for the lowest cost. Is this unreasonable?
If we are personally shopping for a 'big ticket item' such as a car or house, what do we do? We want the highest quality for the lowest price, true? If it were a car, we would want to drive it away that day, right?
But, the price and quality are connected. We would expect to pay more for a Porsche or Ferrari than a Yugo or Lada. Quality and time are also related.Would you et your family live in a house that was built in a day?
Where the problem comes is when a mold buyer expects to pay an unreasonably low price for the mold. When this happens, the mold builder is better off not taking the business rather than working for little or no profit.
It's too bad some customers take advantage of their position. But, the vendor can always say, "No".
I have seen high cavitation, unscrewing molds with hot runners which cost a million dollars or more. As a mold buyer, I would want the highest quality and the fastest delivery for the lowest cost. Is this unreasonable?
If we are personally shopping for a 'big ticket item' such as a car or house, what do we do? We want the highest quality for the lowest price, true? If it were a car, we would want to drive it away that day, right?
But, the price and quality are connected. We would expect to pay more for a Porsche or Ferrari than a Yugo or Lada. Quality and time are also related.Would you et your family live in a house that was built in a day?
Where the problem comes is when a mold buyer expects to pay an unreasonably low price for the mold. When this happens, the mold builder is better off not taking the business rather than working for little or no profit.
It's too bad some customers take advantage of their position. But, the vendor can always say, "No".
2014-06-26 23:07:00
Top #6
Which ever the country the molds are built. Concept of the design is almost similar with some better inputs which may differ from country to country..
Whatever so the steel selected and the price is common almost with small variations depending on the currency.
Manufacturing time line is based on the work culture and the sincerity of the team which is building the mold. This price is the major variable from country to country.
All tool makers can manufacture good molds provided the data communication and the specification are properly conveyed even if there is a language barricade.
Then any where in the world an get a good mold.Buyer should be cost conscious but should not be inclined only to that.Then the harmony will be good and best of the results ( Time ,Price& Quality) can be achieved.
Whatever so the steel selected and the price is common almost with small variations depending on the currency.
Manufacturing time line is based on the work culture and the sincerity of the team which is building the mold. This price is the major variable from country to country.
All tool makers can manufacture good molds provided the data communication and the specification are properly conveyed even if there is a language barricade.
Then any where in the world an get a good mold.Buyer should be cost conscious but should not be inclined only to that.Then the harmony will be good and best of the results ( Time ,Price& Quality) can be achieved.
2014-06-26 23:23:00
Top #7
Hello Tim, thanks for your comment! I can understand your opinion but i don't support all of it. I know some overseas companies had bad experience in China, but it doesn't means all of it. It's hard to deny China is world factory, and now "Made in China" is already walk in to each American family and company. So about the reputation do you think if China doesn't have good reputation how can China be world factory and "Made in China" everywhere in the world one-day? Then how can you said many American companies no longer wish to do business in China? People made mistake is understandable and courage to admit error make it right again is good. What i want to mention is we give our attitude to every precious customers now and future!
2014-06-27 00:53:00
Top #8
Hello Hussein,
Thanks for you comment! Yes, to raise the quality can re-build confidence for customer. Otherwise good quality is also depend on the good price. Because you get what you pay for.
Thanks for you comment! Yes, to raise the quality can re-build confidence for customer. Otherwise good quality is also depend on the good price. Because you get what you pay for.
2022-07-15 17:05:48
Top #9
As of today All is required is DEDICATION towards, Quality, Cost and Delivery.
I have been working with many Chinese mold suppliers and I am fully satisfied for more than 10 years. I have replaced all my Korean and Taiwanese suppliers with Chinese. It all depends on our dedication in finding a Skilled & Dedicated supplier.
All I see in any supplier is the Middle management and the Shop floor workers. Their attitude is what makes things come true. Boss is not really important.
All is required today from China is Consistency in collaborating with Quality.
I have been working with many Chinese mold suppliers and I am fully satisfied for more than 10 years. I have replaced all my Korean and Taiwanese suppliers with Chinese. It all depends on our dedication in finding a Skilled & Dedicated supplier.
All I see in any supplier is the Middle management and the Shop floor workers. Their attitude is what makes things come true. Boss is not really important.
All is required today from China is Consistency in collaborating with Quality.
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